People taking part in out-of-body assistance — YouTube from the CEC Library

When we take people to carry out work that should be done daily, it cannot be weekly or quarterly; it has to be daily because that is the pace of the activity. The people selected already have a certain level of spiritual enlightenment; they cannot be completely ignorant because that would hinder those carrying out the work. Therefore, I need to rely on people who accept spirituality, astral projection, and energy donation. It is not feasible to work with someone who accepts none of these things or accepts only one aspect.

I think it is very important to take people to the astral dimension, which is the dimension of the real work, where things are done that are much more difficult to understand but that, ultimately, solve the problems of most people on this planet. I believe we should carry them out with an open heart and completely open ideas to accept everything that happens, because if we do not accept everything that occurs, how will we be able to work in a different country, where people think differently? We have to accept the whole world, with everything it contains, and to do that, we must be willing to go to Israel, for example, and face a war, go to Ukraine and face a war, go to Russia and face a war.

We should not hold rigid definitions within ourselves or say that Russians, Ukrainians, Iranians, or Americans are no good. That is not how we think. We have to accept everything on the planet with an open heart in order to carry out truly free work and help everyone, regardless of which side they are on or what they are doing. If someone is killing, that will be a problem they will have to face in the future; if they are dying, that too will be a problem to face. I believe the world is full of ups and downs, and we need to learn to live through them in order to do the best we can with a completely open heart, or else we will make mistakes.

When we help someone, that person is neither right nor wrong; they are simply living and may learn, over time, which things they did correctly and which they did incorrectly. Perhaps this is the best way to bring people into the work with goodwill, affection, and good ideas, so that by working with us they can perceive the reality of the planet, with its good and bad aspects. We cannot position ourselves on one side; we must remain above that. Perhaps that is the idea of our work here.

A listener recounted that, in some recollections of astral projection, he saw, for example, someone who was taking part in a work session. During the activity, he noticed that this person was not truly present: they were clouded and unable to follow what was happening, while he tried to understand the situation. Later, when he brought the experience back, he said, "Wow, interesting." What is the point of bringing some people along if they are a little awake and very clouded? And he includes himself: if he also lacks clarity, how is he contributing or learning by taking part in a situation that, in this case, involved some conflict?

When we are in a situation in which we do not see things clearly, we become somewhat hazy. When you are hazy, you are probably donating energy and will be unable to see things clearly. This happens because, when you begin your path of spirituality, you start to understand that you cannot have constant clarity; otherwise, you will become ill. The information is difficult.

The information is very difficult to bear. If, for example, you go to heal a person who is dying and witness it, you will have great difficulty afterward and will say, "I did not see it, I do not want to see it." It does not work that way: we need to observe everything in life. To reach this point, it is necessary to have a completely free mind in order to accept both physical and spiritual life with clarity, which is not so simple. Our physical life is full of intricacies that we cannot understand. Could you like every person who exists on Earth?

No one can; there are people we think are very evil, there are criminals, and there are those who deliberately do evil. Therefore, we cannot like everyone unless we have a completely open mind. To have this open mind, you need to be very free from yourself, to be in a situation that allows you to accept all the things in heaven and hell. If you can accept all that, you already create a much more efficient space for work and begin to see things you could not see before. When someone donates energy, for example, they are already helping even if they do not perceive what is happening. I think it is not so easy, during astral projection, to see things that are very complex.

You see a person being shot and their spirit leaving; that must be something terrible for someone who is not accustomed to it, just like a person being assaulted in prison or sexually assaulted. It is not acceptable. That is why people who are beginning astral projection should be spared from these situations; it is not simple, but they need to learn to understand this reality.